Transforming without Anyone Transformed

'What do you think then, O Subhûti, does a Tathâgatas think in this wise: Beings have been delivered by me?

You should not think so, O Subhûti.

And why?

Because there is no being, O Subhûti, that has been delivered by the Tathâgata.

And, if there were a being, O Subhûti, that has been delivered by the Tathâgatas, then the Tathâgata would believe in self, believe in a being, believe in a living being, and believe in a person.

And what is called a belief in self, O Subhûti, that is preached as no-belief by the Tathâgata.

And this is learned by children and ignorant persons; and they who were preached as children and ignorant persons, O Subhûti, were preached as no-persons by the Tathâgata, and therefore they are called children and ignorant persons.'